From what I've seen of imagery for HMS Monarch (1868) she does seem similar. But, the distribution of the turrets isn't the same. This ship is probably a half-sister or like built for a foreign naval service (non-RN).
There are design similarities with Huáscar of the Peruvian and Chilean navies. But this mystery ship is different from the configuration used in Huáscar.
I should have paid closer attention to GL's comment about how she was related to Huáscar. Wivern and her sister Scorpion were built by Laird, Son & Co. - who also built Huáscar. Check out the following Wikipedia page. Scroll down between the cruisers and destroyers built by Laird to see the entries for Turret ships.
Pulled this quote off the Wiki post for Caroline which I don't think is true:
"As well as being the second-oldest ship in Royal Navy service, the last British World War I light cruiser in service, and the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland still afloat, HMS Caroline is also the third oldest commissioned warship in the world[citation needed] — behind HMS Victory (launched in 1765 and commissioned in 1778) and USS Constitution (launched and commissioned in 1797) — and the second oldest commissioned warship afloat, as Victory has been in drydock since 1922.[Note 1]"
I think Huascar is "commissioned" also. It is maintained by the Navy.
the Greek Armored Cruiser Georgios Averof is still apparently afloat and commissioned.
Did you notice among the destroyers built by Laird there was HMS Swift? You know, the design predecessor to USS Independence (LCS-1). You'll recall the discussion about her at New Wars some time back.
HMS Monarch?
ReplyDeleteChuck,
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've seen of imagery for HMS Monarch (1868) she does seem similar. But, the distribution of the turrets isn't the same. This ship is probably a half-sister or like built for a foreign naval service (non-RN).
Hello,
ReplyDeleteit is not H.M.S.Monarch,D.E.Reddick is warmish.
GrandLogistics.
I've looked at hundreds of images of three-masted steam sloops and frigates. None of them seem to match the configuration of the ship shown.
ReplyDeleteHello D.E.Reddick,
ReplyDeletethis ship also has a sister.
GrandLogistics.
Well,
ReplyDeleteThere are design similarities with Huáscar of the Peruvian and Chilean navies. But this mystery ship is different from the configuration used in Huáscar.
Hello D.E.Reddick,
ReplyDeleteshe is not Huascar's sister but they are related in some ways.
GrandLogistics.
Hello,
ReplyDeletethis vessel never served in the navy which she was built for.
GrandLogistics.
I haven't a clue, so can we play 20 questions?
ReplyDeleteWas she built for the Confederate Navy?
Looks like it has two turrets, is that correct?
ReplyDeleteDo you have another picture?
ReplyDeleteHello Chuck Hill,
ReplyDeleteyes,yes and I'll try to find one.
GrandLogistics.
HMS Wivern
ReplyDeletehttp://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/uk/uksh-w/wivern.htm
Hello Chuck Hill,
ReplyDeletewas it the Confederate Navy bit that gave it away?
It is odd that other vessels are credited with being the Royal Navy's first turret ships even though Wivern preceeded them.
GrandLogistics.
very impressive ships for the time. No wonder the Union was frightened by them.
ReplyDeleteChuck,
ReplyDeleteI should have paid closer attention to GL's comment about how she was related to Huáscar. Wivern and her sister Scorpion were built by Laird, Son & Co. - who also built Huáscar. Check out the following Wikipedia page. Scroll down between the cruisers and destroyers built by Laird to see the entries for Turret ships.
Cammell Laird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cammell_Laird
I see they did HMS Caroline (still in commission) too
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Caroline_%281914%29
so with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C3%A1scar_%28ship%29
I see they also built CSS Alabama
Sorry to correct my comment:
ReplyDeleteI see they did HMS Caroline (still in commission) too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Caroline_%281914%29
so with Huascar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C3%A1scar_%28ship%29
They are very well represented.
I see they also built CSS Alabama
Pulled this quote off the Wiki post for Caroline which I don't think is true:
"As well as being the second-oldest ship in Royal Navy service, the last British World War I light cruiser in service, and the last survivor of the Battle of Jutland still afloat, HMS Caroline is also the third oldest commissioned warship in the world[citation needed] — behind HMS Victory (launched in 1765 and commissioned in 1778) and USS Constitution (launched and commissioned in 1797) — and the second oldest commissioned warship afloat, as Victory has been in drydock since 1922.[Note 1]"
I think Huascar is "commissioned" also. It is maintained by the Navy.
the Greek Armored Cruiser Georgios Averof is still apparently afloat and commissioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_armored_cruiser_Georgios_Averof
The Russian Cruiser Aurora is also still afloat and in commission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Aurora
(I think I'll go to Wiki and delete that claim.)
Chuck,
ReplyDeleteDid you notice among the destroyers built by Laird there was HMS Swift? You know, the design predecessor to USS Independence (LCS-1). You'll recall the discussion about her at New Wars some time back.
I think there was more reason to try for extreme high speed at that time than there is now.
ReplyDeleteAt least the Brits only built one SWIFT.
They certainly built a lot of significant ships.