tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post1626099323741247542..comments2023-04-01T10:38:24.993+01:00Comments on Grand Logistics: The Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft CarriersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-78941646834935063362019-09-15T18:29:16.004+01:002019-09-15T18:29:16.004+01:00Hello,
Anonymous said...
"I agree, the isl...<br />Hello,<br /><br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"I agree, the island on the left sucks."<br /><br />Perhaps you could explain why,but before you do please read the responses to the above comments.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"90k£ an hour for Typhoon is totally dubious : a B-52 costs only 69k$/h, a F-22 68k$, a F-15 about 44k$, a F-18 about 24k$."<br /><br />That "dubious" figure is officially published by the United Kingdom's government,it is entirely correct.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Eurocanards have been created around much less thirsty engines and for low maintenance : Grippen costs are known to be around 5k$/hour and Rafale about 8k€/8k5€.<br />9k£ and not 90k£ looks much more logical for Typhoons."<br /><br />Perhaps you should educate yourself about the difference between aircraft capital costs and marginal operating costs,you do not appear to understand the difference.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"It'll be smth around 230M$/plane to make it replace Hawkeyes..."<br /><br />The cost of acquiring and operating Hawkeyes is a small fraction of the cost of upgrading and operating both the Sentry and Crowsnest systems.<br /><br /><br />Grand Logistics.<br />GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-6644936172747040012018-03-26T10:58:09.341+01:002018-03-26T10:58:09.341+01:00Hello,
CLVASHJBHWFS said...
"These ships ar...Hello,<br /><br />CLVASHJBHWFS said...<br /><br />"These ships are designed and built in such a way that a 80 metre 250' hull block being added in the future would not be difficult. They would then have a better lenght to beam ratio and with added power and azmuith pod..... You can see where this and these carriers are going."<br /><br />Length to beam ratios?<br /><br />Azimuthing pods?<br /><br />What a pleasure it is to read a comment by someone who actually knows what he is talking about.<br /><br />Thank you sir.<br /><br /><br />Grand Logistics.GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-71340410685830107242018-03-26T10:56:20.511+01:002018-03-26T10:56:20.511+01:00Hello,
one of our readers has said the following ...Hello,<br /><br />one of our readers has said the following (http://futureadf.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-australian-aircraft-carrier.html):<br /><br />"the bridge is on the starboard side, unlike in the G.L. linked article, because pilots aborting their landings tend to pull away to the left"<br /><br />This is not correct.<br /><br />Pilots aborting landings fly in a straight line along the axis of the landing area and therefore cannot hit an island on the port side.<br /><br />Even if they attempted to do something as silly as losing altitude and speed by executing a hard left turn whilst bolting they simply could not turn hard enough to hit an island which is sixty feet to the left of the wires. <br /><br />See Here:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8anf1zBbpU4<br /><br /><br />Grand Logistics.GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-90685419643256316892018-03-26T10:48:35.056+01:002018-03-26T10:48:35.056+01:00Hello,
Anonymous said...
"Islands are alwa...Hello, <br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Islands are always located on the starboard because pilots seem to pull up and left when they encounter difficulty during landing, hence the large number of accidents the Japanese experienced."<br /><br />The way aircraft land on an angled aircraft carrier today is completely different to the way they landed on axial deck aircraft carriers seventy years ago.<br /><br />Modern carrier aircraft fly into the deck to hook a wire and if they fail to do so they continue flying in the same direction,it is called a "bolter".<br /><br />They do not "pull up and left" and even if they did they could not turn tight enough to hit an island to port of the wires.<br /><br />Grand Logistics.GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-88831113838742861642018-03-26T10:17:04.495+01:002018-03-26T10:17:04.495+01:00Hello,
Anonymous said...
"an aircraft carri...Hello,<br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"an aircraft carrier simply cannot have the island located to the port side. the only type of carrier ever built that did not feature a starboard island was the akagi and hiryu classes built by japan in the second world war. no one seems to know why but the aircraft onboard suffered alarming loss rates upon landing with aircraft colliding with the bridge."<br /><br />Are you really suggesting that naval pilots who are intensively trained fly their aircraft with great precision into the wires on an aircraft carrier's deck are going to get "confused" and fly into an island sixty feet to the left of their intended landing area?<br /><br />Have you seen how close to those wires aircraft are parked on deck?<br /><br />Do you understand that every day hundreds of pilots land their aircraft on aircraft carriers without hitting those parked aircraft?<br /><br /><br />Grand Logistics.<br /><br />GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-74286895786261494652018-03-26T09:58:34.091+01:002018-03-26T09:58:34.091+01:00Hello,
Anonymous said...
"Wonderful post bu...Hello,<br /><br />Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Wonderful post but probably moot. These carriers will most likely never be built."<br /><br />Wonderful comment but probably moot.<br />Both of these ships have been built and both are going to be in service,one already is.<br /><br />Grand Logistics. GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-219916633039551732017-04-10T07:04:00.823+01:002017-04-10T07:04:00.823+01:00Or a fixed pod.Or a fixed pod.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13229497989518136730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-81051695481859666352017-04-09T10:59:48.465+01:002017-04-09T10:59:48.465+01:00These ships are designed and built in such a way t...These ships are designed and built in such a way that a 80 metre 250' hull block being added in the future would not be difficult. They would then have a better lenght to beam ratio and with added power and azmuith pod..... You can see where this and these carriers are going.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13229497989518136730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-7187383350983272632016-08-09T05:11:39.154+01:002016-08-09T05:11:39.154+01:00I agree, the island on the left sucks.
90k£ an ho...I agree, the island on the left sucks. <br />90k£ an hour for Typhoon is totally dubious : a B-52 costs only 69k$/h, a F-22 68k$, a F-15 about 44k$, a F-18 about 24k$. <br />Eurocanards have been created around much less thirsty engines and for low maintenance : Grippen costs are known to be around 5k$/hour and Rafale about 8k€/8k5€.<br />9k£ and not 90k£ looks much more logical for Typhoons.<br />Anyway, the QE class concept is fixed : No CATOBAR, they won't be real aircraft carriers and F-35 is very likely to melt the deck :) @280M$ each, well, poor brits, you'd better have listened to the frenchs : Rafale works wonderfully. Osprey will really sucks : they have a tremendous accident rate, they're the most costly military aircraft : 83k$/hour and @77M$ each, they're not a bargain... It'll be smth around 230M$/plane to make it replace Hawkeyes...<br />But brits can always ask Dassault to take the Breguet 941S out of its drawer : I don't see any other transport aircraft being able to operate their carriers without catapults or tremendous high costs : 8 tons payload, takes off in 185m, lands in 120m... 1961 french technology...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-53785373425438164922012-11-06T23:06:11.437+00:002012-11-06T23:06:11.437+00:00The idea of putting the island on the right-hand s...The idea of putting the island on the right-hand side originated when the royal navy was developing it first carriers. When the engine of a plane was running, the propellor rotated clockwise from the pilots point of view and thus caused a small bit of a tenacity in which aircraft would automatically pitch to the left upon take off. It was int he best interest of the Navy to avoid aircraft from hitting the bridge and other area's vital to the control of the ship and air movements and therefore, the island was placed on the right- hand side of the flightdeck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-3420521823944494542012-06-29T15:57:19.018+01:002012-06-29T15:57:19.018+01:00Islands are always located on the starboard becaus...Islands are always located on the starboard because pilots seem to pull up and left when they encounter difficulty during landing, hence the large number of accidents the Japanese experienced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-51441354151091367652011-07-26T22:40:13.572+01:002011-07-26T22:40:13.572+01:00Torque?Torque?Plum Jamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04453338762908997274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-85193866470743848012011-06-15T03:33:39.734+01:002011-06-15T03:33:39.734+01:00your ideas are most intriguing however i must find...your ideas are most intriguing however i must find a huge fault in one of them. an aircraft carrier simply cannot have the island located to the port side. the only type of carrier ever built that did not feature a starboard island was the akagi and hiryu classes built by japan in the second world war. no one seems to know why but the aircraft onboard suffered alarming loss rates upon landing with aircraft colliding with the bridge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-15306116444021503382010-09-26T05:50:27.695+01:002010-09-26T05:50:27.695+01:00Wonderful post but probably moot. These carriers w...Wonderful post but probably moot. These carriers will most likely never be built.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-38651797577351190172009-11-23T19:27:21.829+00:002009-11-23T19:27:21.829+00:00tango thankyou that is brilliant!
yours sincerely...tango thankyou that is brilliant!<br /><br />yours sincerely<br /><br />AlexAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06849041144795952276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-21625786946452096582009-11-23T19:05:30.003+00:002009-11-23T19:05:30.003+00:00Hello Alex,
the easiest thing to do is just to do...Hello Alex,<br /><br />the easiest thing to do is just to do a web search for whatever you want to know and include the word hansard.<br /><br />The hard way is to trawl through these:<br /><br />http://www.publications.parliament.<br />uk/pa/cm/cmhansrd.htm<br /><br />I had to split that link into two parts as it would not post in comments!<br /><br />tangosix.GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-20075455431380644402009-11-23T18:51:09.445+00:002009-11-23T18:51:09.445+00:00Tango how do you get hold of the Hansard? I have b...Tango how do you get hold of the Hansard? I have been trying as I am phd student....but its been proving impossible...and now it seems it is where the key information is!<br /><br />yours sincerely<br /><br />AlexAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06849041144795952276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-51680552304705557052009-11-23T18:42:43.749+00:002009-11-23T18:42:43.749+00:00Hello Alex,
I only use official figures,usually f...Hello Alex,<br /><br />I only use official figures,usually from Hansard.<br />When I get the time to complete this post I will include links to sources.<br /><br /><br /> tangosix.GrandLogisticshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05216594701400296075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4245848993516434751.post-88197598416082238862009-11-16T09:54:06.137+00:002009-11-16T09:54:06.137+00:00Where did you get the financial figures for this.....Where did you get the financial figures for this...I am trying to compile my own piece and have been struggling to find good sources of reference.<br /><br />yours sincerely<br /><br />AlexAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06849041144795952276noreply@blogger.com